what does the term "morality" first conjure up in the jw mind ?
caring for the social concerns of others
looking after ones own religious prospects
What does the term "morality" first conjure up in the jw mind ?
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scofield's literalism extended even to exact verbal phraseology.
People use to have more than one wife
man, did i get that evil look from everyone around me.
they said because he was to be king, and all of the kings received gifts on their birthday, and how dare i presume to be like jesus.
i was confused.
Whatever happened to those gifts? To a humble biblical family like the Christs it would have been the equivelant of a rollover lottery win,
They travelled to Egypt
my family was raised in a very sincere christian home.
i have 2 sisters and have always been as close as best friends.
my little sister (30) a year ago met a man.
Help your mom with her bills, keep the kids there, and your sister - with this opportunity tell your sister plainly that the group she is becoming involved in is plainly a false prophet - be prepared with simple and irrefutable examples if necessary - ie. articles from the watchtower, things such as beth sarim, "this generation" as shown in every print of Awake until ~ '95 I think - keep it simple and irrefutable - tell her that as her sister you're concerned with the sort of wickedness that she's getting involved in - family splitting and nastiness based on the insistence in following a false prophet
- do it early
can someone please outline the rationale and scriptures used to support the idea that disfellowshipping is a loving gesture?
i am trying to understand how this behavior is justified, when in my mind in seems a simple matter; one only needs ask oneself, 'if jesus (or jehovah) were standing next to you, would jesus (or jehovah), support any shunning-type actions?
' i find it very difficult that the answer would ever be 'yes'.
but b/c his sister would not submit to the ORG and get herself reinstated, he continued to shun.
This is really central to it.
The jws give worship to an imaginary being who is like a beast, who they think will kill them if they don't submit to it - they believe their Image has this right because everything they are and have, and we have, comes from their Image, who also determines what is 'good' and 'bad' - and if you don't follow the beast then you aren't 'good' ( who is like the beast ).
If their family member, or others, don't submit to the Image they are in danger of being killed and losing everything, so, the most extreme way of making sure someone else submits to the beast for their own good, is to shun them until they will, and thereby 'save their lives' - no doubt if the law of the land allowed they would do even worse, as the history of fundamentalist nutjobbing reveals. In this context of confused fear, love is something that people buy and sell.
paduan
"but if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye not be consumed one of another.
" ( galatians 5:15 ).
"and withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tatlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
Whilst I don't necessarily take this to mean that there were literal murders being committed within the congregations that James was addressing, it DOES indicate that there was severe hostility.
could be, maybe, postulates, tends to indicate - maybe not
severe hostility I don't think - personal gain through marginalising another I can believe
i really feel at a disadvantage here because i don't really know this god.
with my limited brain power i can only understand what i can experience around me with my five senses.
that doesn't include the spiritual world as i have no biological/neurological receptors for this.
You have your free will - there's no onus - do what you like to do, what you really like - t eachings written and natural are there so that you aren't led around by the flesh if you don't want to be, or led away by wayward spirit if you don't want to be
What does your soul desire ?
"but if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye not be consumed one of another.
" ( galatians 5:15 ).
"and withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tatlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
In this verse James is pointing out that the SOURCE of the "wars" in the congregations .............Clearly, there was severe hostility in the congregations ......
It believe that it appears as an illustration of the etiology of wars, based on an unstated level of dispute as an understanding - there is nothing clear about severe hostility and "wars in the congregations" to me.
It's in the way you chose to read it, and I suppose the "translation" that you use.
a simple premise for your consideration .
is a christian required to be a footstep follower of jesus?.
are true christians required to imitate jesus' behavior and state of mind as closely as humanly possible?.
I am who I am
"but if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye not be consumed one of another.
" ( galatians 5:15 ).
"and withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tatlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
Scout - these things are a matter of "how you hear" But if you bite and devour one another take heed that you are not consumed by one another. To you that appears to mean an offense in nastiness, but you are what you eat, and surely you have read enough bible words to know that when you eat something you become like it - eg. don't eat hawks, but, eat Jesus. The wtbts has taught you to read these things literally, according to the flesh. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ But refuse to enrol younger widows; for when they grow wanton against Christ they desire to marry, and so they incur condemnation for having violated their first pledge. Besides that, they learn to be idlers, gadding about from house to house, and not only idlers but gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not. So I would have younger widows marry, bear children, rule their households, and give the enemy no occasion to revile us. For some have already strayed after Satan. If any believing woman has relatives who are widows, let her assist them; let the church not be burdened, so that it may assist those who are real widows. Have a good look at that last bit so that it may assist those who are real widows There are widows who have lost their earthly husbands, and spiritual widows (it's not about literal women, but souls) who learn to say what they should not - very much like as in jwism. When they grow wanton against Christ, their first pledge (goodness), they seek another lover, another word so they may gad about from house to house busybodying, whereas they would be better off bearing children (fruit) and ruling their own households (theirself); some had already strayed after Satan (who disguises as an angel of light) or another 'word' (and the one you live with now is not your husband).
------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What causes wars, and what causes fightings among you? Is it not your passions that are at war in your members? You desire and do not have; so you kill (the spirit) So for the christian, the war is in themself ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Scout, I think you still can't get your head around the issue of jws being wrong, and inept, and that judging 'christians' is how to continue to use a bottle of blame for sauce without speaking against 'mother'.
